My team is using Shortcut (formely Clubhouse) for sometime now, and that is really all over the place. I've taken upon myself the resposability to organize that chaos.
One of the main complaints from out dev team, is that they have no visibility of the PM's taks and chores, and wanted to see how it connected with their work and day to day basis. So we decided to bring all our organization from a flimsy structured Trello to a new Shortcut inside Shortcut.
But i'm having some trouble theorizing how all that should work! Should the PM's and Devs share the same epic, creating different stories inside that? Our fear with that, is that the PM's task would "stain" the progress and velocity chart for the dev team when looking at the epic.
Our best idea yet is using Milestones for a big project and breaking that milestone in distinct epics for Devs and PM's. I don't really know if that makes any sense within agile, so I wanted to hear about more people struggling with that.